Vietnam Veterans of America Chapter 899 New Jersey
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IF YOU ARE A VIETNAM VETERAN LET ME SAY TO YOU, THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT WORDS AMONG
BROTHERS;
"WELCOME
HOME"
If
you are not a Vietnam Veteran, I welcome you to our site. I hope you will Understand that the
Words written here have come from our Hearts. You Are guests here, on the Sacred ground upon which the Memories
of Those we have lost now live. Please respect and remember the Families and friends who knew them as
Brothers, Sons and Daughters, who now so Sorely miss them.
This site is Dedicated to two of my High School friends, both killed in
action, in the Republic of Vietnam. They died fighting so that others might enjoy the freedoms we
hold so dear and made us the Greatest County in the World.
Barry A. Manthey (KIA) 14
August 1968 (20 yrs. old) Joseph M. Thorn (KIA) 31 May 1968 (18 yrs. old)
And
To our other Fallen Brothers and Sisters whose names Appear on the Wall in Washington, DC and across the
country.
In the picture below, Frederick Hart's Memorial of the "Three Soldiers" gaze
upon the names of those over 58,000 young Americans who fought with Honor. They died believing our cause Was
a noble one. Their Memory will Live on, as long as Men shall fight for Freedom and they will live Forever
in our Hearts.
VIETNAM VETERANS OF AMERICA WEST CENTRAL DISTRICT CHAPTER NJ 899
Photo taken by Michael Engi in September of 2004
Fredrick Hart's Sculpture "Three Soldiers," as they watch over the more than 58,000 brothers we lost
We all have important values and ideas, things we care about and want to share. Sometimes
we feel our ideas can even change the world, we want to let other people know how they can join in and make all our lives
a little better. In the following pages we will attempt to provide the information, camaraderie and resources to help veterans
live better in the future. Michael Engi, Chapter Pres. and Webmaster.
If you are a veteran in emotional crisis and need help RIGHT NOW, call this toll-free
number 1-800-273-8255, available 24/7, and tell them you are a veteran. All calls are confidential.
To view the Burlington County Times presentation of Chapter 899 Welcoming Home the Troops, click on the picture
below, it takes about 2 min. to load. Production by Matt Stanley, BCT Staff.
Photo by Matt Stanley, BCT Staff
Steve McElwee, VVA 899 Member Hugs a Soldier just home from Iraq at Ft. Dix, MRB, Bravo Company.
AN OPEN LETTER TO VIETNAM VETERANS Dear Hero, I was in my twenties during the Vietnam era. I was a single mother and I’m
sad to say, I was probably one of the most self-centered people on the planet. To be perfectly honest I didn’t care
one way or the other about the war.All I cared about was me-how I looked, what I wore, and where I was
going. I worked and I played. I was never politically involved in anything, but I allowed my opinions to be formed by the
media. It happened without my ever being aware. I listened to the protest songs and I watched the six o’clock news
and I listened to all the people who were talking. After awhile, I began to repeat their words and, if you were to ask
me, I’d have told you I was against the war. It was very popular. Everyone was doing it, and we never saw what it was
doing to our men. All we were shown was what they were doing to the people of Vietnam.
My brother joined the Navy and then he was sent to Vietnam. When he came home,
I repeated the words to him. It surprised me at how angry he became. I hurt him very deeply and there were years of separation-not
only of miles, but also of character. I didn’t understand.In fact, I didn’t understand anything
until one day I opened my newspaper and saw the anguished face of a Vietnam veteran. The picture was taken at the opening
of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C. His countenance revealed the terrible burden
of his soul. As I looked at his picture and his tears, I finally understood a tiny portion of what you had given for
us and what we had done to you. I understood that I had been manipulated, but I also knew that I had failed to think for myself.
It was like waking up out of a nightmare, except that the nightmare was real. I didn’t know what to do.
One day about, three years ago, I went to a member of the church
I attended at that time because he had served in Vietnam. I asked him if he had been in Vietnam, and he got a look on his
face and said, “Yes.” Then, I took his hand, looked him square in the face, and said, “Thank you for
going.” His jaw dropped, he got an amazed look on his face, and then he said, “No one has ever said that to me.”
He hugged me and I could see that he was about to get tears in his eyes. It gave me an idea, because there is much more that
needs to be said. How do we put into words all the regret of so many years? I don’t know, but when I have an opportunity,
I take it so here goes.Have you been to Vietnam? If so, I have something I want to say to you-Thank you
for going! Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Please forgive me for my insensitivity. I don’t know how I could
have been so blind, but I was.When I woke up, you were wounded and the damage was done, and I don’t
know how to fix it. I will never stop regretting my actions, and I will never let it happen again.
Please understand that I am speaking for the general public also. We know
we blew it and we don’t know how to make it up to you. We wish we had been there for you when you came home from Vietnam
because you were a hero and you deserved better. Inside of you there is a pain that will never completely go away and
you know what? It’s inside of us, too; because when we let you down, we hurt ourselves, too.
We all know it and we suffer guilt and we don’t know what to do so we cheer for our troops and write
letters to “any soldier” and we hang out the yellow ribbons and fly the flag and we love America. We love you
too, even if it doesn’t feel like it to you. I know in my heart that, when we cheer wildly for our troops, part of the
reason is trying to make up for Vietnam. And while it may work for us, it does nothing for you.We failed
you. You didn’t fail us, but we failed you and we lost our only chance to be grateful to you at the time when you
needed and deserved it.
We have disgraced ourselves and brought shame to our country. We did it and we need your
forgiveness. Please say you will forgive us and please take your rightful place as heroes of our country. We have learned
a terribly painful lesson at your expense and we don’t know how to fix it.
From the heart,
Julie Weaver 237 East Gatewood Circle Burleson, Texas
76028-8948
Webmaster's note:
I posted the above letter for all to
see, my brother Vietnam veterans and the public. I know it will touch them as it has me and just maybe someday
we can over come what has happened. As I said in my Vietnam Veteran Legacy on the next page, some of us can
and do forgive, even if we can't forget. Even though others may never recover from that war, those of us who
can need to move on and try to understand, that as veterans who did come home, we have an obligation
to our brothers who didn't. As much as we don't want to be reminded, we need to search for the strength to
speak for them, to make sure they are never forgotten and at the same time, make sure what happened to us never happens
to today's soldiers.
I know if my name were on that wall in D.C., I would want my brothers who were there with
me to tell our side of the story. We proudly did our duty for our country, the best we knew how. We all know
in every war incidents take place where the innocent are sometimes killed and unless you were there, it is hard to understand
how this could happen. Even so, one incident over ten years of battle does not justify labeling every soldier who fought
there. Right or wrong, the truth is, you, the American people, told us to go there for what we all
believed was a just cause. Over 58,000 of us fought to our death for those causes and for you.
When the time came we didn't think about politics, we thought about keeping each other alive, hopefully to see
our loved ones again.
The shameful truth is that when we finally made it home we only expected someone to
just say thanks, but instead you called us names and denied you ever knew us. The physcological scars
are still there, just as the physical wounds we still bear to this day.
I would like to get in touch
with the woman above who so eloquently wrote this letter. There is no doubt, it came from her heart.
I wanted to tell her we understand and that I wish all America felt as she but as we have found over the years, there
are many who still hate us thanks to people like Jane Fonda and John Kerry. They are just not as open about
it as they once were.
I guess they are the same type of misguided people who hate our military today
in places like Berkeley. To them I say, take the time to take a long hard look at yourself and what you are doing.
Someday, like Jane Fonda, you may regret what you have done.
To the public, who want to know the truth, ask
someone who has put his or her life on the line for what we believe in. Ask someone who has been there and seen how
others in our world live. Only then will you begin to understand what is important in life.
I am now 59 years old and still have not figured out their way of thinking. Thank God they are not the majority
in this country. My only explanation for their behavior is one such as the woman above suggested. From my own
experience in Vietnam, she is right about one thing, the media did not tell the truth back then and for the most part they
don't now. Or should I say they just have a way of leaving out what they don't want to report.
The
Media has the power to influence people by reporting a slanted view of the news based on their own personal or political
agenda. It's the way some people think things should be and they actually believe it. It's almost
like they were brainwashed and cannot help themselves. They will argue to their death on issues even when they
are proved wrong.
Just as in Iraq now, you can see the media has stopped reporting on Iraq for the most part
but a few months ago it was all you saw on TV. Why the change, it's because things are getting better and that does
not fit into their agenda. Who are these people anyway and why do they do this? In the long run, they
really hurt our country by dividing it. It almost sounds like some kind of covert conspiracy is
going on right under our noses.
Opposing views can become constructive dialog but there comes a time when we're
better off to concede and fight the fight together.
I could be wrong, it's just my opinion. Thank
you.
Michael Engi VVA899
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Vietnam Women's Memorial Washington, D.C.
Dedicated to the Women who Served in Vietnam, see Kerry "Doc" Pardues Memorial Raskies' below.
THIS IS OUR FIRST INTERNET AWARD
THANK YOU TO ALL OUR AUSSIE BROTHERS
The Video
below says more than words or parades ever could and has touched the Hearts of many Vietnam Veterans with a Special meaning.
We Dedicated it to you, our Soldiers of today. You are one's who finally made us Proud of Our Service to our
Country. By volunteering to take over the fight for Freedom where we left off, for whomever may ask, may God be
with you as we wait for your return.
Don't let history repeat what happened to us,
no one deserves the type of Welcome Home we got. Support our Troops and learn how to separate the Politics from
the soldier. The below video by a little girl explains it all. Why couldn't we see this 35 years ago?
Military.com has a very good article in yesterday's paper, called "PTSD Payments Vary from State to State." Please take the time to read it. It's one of those few articles where every word in it is
worth knowing, and relevant to our topic. The McClatchy Newspapers chain did some extensive independent research here.
According to the article, they took a look at "3 million disability compensation-claims records obtained under the Freedom
of Information Act, as well as separate documents that the VA provided. The analysis is the first to examine the issue of
state-to-state variations in compensation for those young veterans who have left the military since the war in Afghanistan began in 2001."
Okay -- and what did they find? They found
that payments for PTSD disability vary widely from state to state, with no obvious reason why -- nothing deeper or more significant
than how disability from PTSD is likely rated by your local VA. So it turns out if you live in New Mexico, you're
like to do better than say if you live in Montana. There's a certain amount of complexity to this system that is
worth learning. A higher disability rating means a higher payment, but whatever you start getting paid at is what you
get locked in being paid at, over time, so it's crucial to start with higher numbers, essentially, if you're young
and are likely going to be relying on this check for life. And the payments are not that high to start with. The
top of the scale, total disability, runs around $2500 a month -- and that's now -- not potentially 50 years from now,
when you might still be relying on that payment. Why VA benefits don't adjust for cost of living or inflation over time is beyond me -- seems like another thing veteran rights organizations
need to take up with Congress -- congressional salaries certainly have that perk. But nevertheless, where you start
on the scale ends up being vitally important over time, and some states seemed skewed to give better results than others.
Again -- read the article, it's full of good information, and it'd be bad practice to quote the whole thing just to
get that point across. But here's some other good information from it:
The VA workers
who decide PTSD cases determine whether a veteran's ability to function at work is limited a little, a lot or somewhere
in between. They examine the frequency of panic attacks and the level of memory loss. The process is subjective, and veterans
are placed on a scale that gives them scores - or "ratings" - of zero, 10, 30, 50, 70 or 100.
McClatchy's
analysis found that some regional offices are far more likely to give veterans scores of 50 or 70 while others are far more
likely to stick with scores of 10 or 30.
Consider the New Mexico and Montana offices, where there are big differences
up and down the scale.
In Montana, more than three-quarters of veterans have ratings of zero, 10 or 30. In New Mexico,
a majority of the veterans have ratings of 50 or 70.
On top of that, 6 percent of New Mexico veterans had the highest
rating possible - 100, worth $2,527 a month - compared with just 1 percent of Montana veterans.
Because payments are
loaded toward the highest end of the scale - the difference between the highest rating and the next-highest rating is more
than $1,000 a month - the gap in ratings has a significant impact on how much the VA is paying, on average, to veterans in
different states.
Factoring in all mental and physical disabilities, the average payment for recent veterans ranges
from a high of $734 a month in the Little Rock, Ark., office to a low of $435 a month in Honolulu. In Roanoke, the average
was $538.
And while we're on the subject -- the average payment is $435 a month to $734
a month? Is anyone able to actually live on this money?
Editor's Note:
Congratulations to the McClatchy Newspapers for doing independent research on this subject. It's another case to me of journalism serving to move society forward.
In future years, getting the VA system of disparate compensation cleaned up will owe much to articles based on research like
this, that showed there was a problem in the first place. Thank you...
There is a dominant impression that many of us have that suicide somehow spikes at the winter holidays. Fortunately
this turns out to be just a myth -- though there is an increase in suicide after the holidays --
perhaps in part because of the general letdown after a period of increased stress, combined with frequently crummy weather
and potentially mounting financial pressure from holiday overspending. Even if suicide didn't peak anywhere near
this time of year, it's still worth looking at what can be done to help people feeling the pressure and stress of the
holiday season. Combat veterans (and their families) face special stresses at holiday times, including increased time with family and friends, often increased exposure to alcohol and drugs, and the special pangs of
realizing loved ones -- combat buddies -- are no longer with them or able to celebrate the holidays with their own families (survivor's guilt).
Fortunately
there are some decent resources out there for lending a hand. First off, the generic but helpful ones; secondly, the
more veteran-specific ones.
Article by a Vietnam-era vet, who tried to kill himself on his first Thanksgiving back after combat. He's got a very interesting
point of view in this article. One of the things he says is that since he arrived in Vietnam first on Christmas morning,
it was hard for him for years afterward to ever have a good Christmas. He covers all the big topics from his point of
view, including anger, flashbacks/hallucinations, fear, dread, hyper-vigilance, anxiety, intimacy issues, drug and alcohol abuse, avoidance/immersion, sleep disorders, guilt, memory loss/cognitive dysfunction, intrusive thoughts, and depression.
Pretty good stuff, and he definitely can relate. He also talks about "anniversary reactions," which is another
important topic in the discussion of veterans and combat trauma.
Patience Mason's wonderful advice for veterans
and their families. This is a link to an article specifically on "PTSD and the Holidays," and it's quite comprehensive and excellent. She also covers the anniversary reaction the veteran may be
having, and talks about how to create a healthy balance between who can handle what at the holidays, without fostering resentment
and anger between the veteran and his or her loved ones. Excellent stuff, again from someone who can relate.
Intelligent, rational human beings have difficulty accepting the U.S.Involvement
in Southeast Asia, I had trouble. Aside from the involvement issue, our conduct of the war seemed even more indefensible.
No-fire zones, free-fire zones, bombing restrictions, and the ubiquitous rules of engagement defied reason. To look at the
Vietnam War in isolation also defies reason.
The
war was never fought to win. That is an absurdity to most people, veterans especially. The strategy was to contain the spread
of global communism. This may seem laughable in light of the fall of communism, but no one was laughing in the fifties and
sixties as country after country fell behind the iron and bamboo curtains. Communism was perceived as a serious threat to
our national security. The threat of a global nuclear war loomed on the horizon, and we had come damned close several times
before the first troops landed in Vietnam. The demise of humanity, indeed, all life on Earth, teetered on the brink of annihilation.
Statesmen on both sides had this reality to deal with.
It
was in this atmosphere of fear and insecurity that our leaders decided to draw a line in the jungle. Clearly, a line needed
to be drawn somewhere. Once that line was drawn, it needed to be defended. The world watched to check our resolve. We held
that line for 10,000 days. As a delaying action, it was quite successful. By tying the communists down in Southeast Asia,
we bought valuable time. Other countries successfully resisted insurgency movements as the weakness inherent in the rigid
socialist systems began to show. When we no longer needed to defend the line in the jungle, we pulled out. By then, communism
was no longer on the march. If anything, it was on the defensive.
As to our irrational and irresponsible conduct of the war, I submit that is was neither. Counter-insurgency warfare
is a tricky business. It is more political than military. In the post Napoleonic era, theory returned to war as a rational,
limited instrument of national diplomacy. This approach was best articulated by the Prussian military theorist, Carl von Clausewitz.
He set the tone of modern armed conflict in his 1837 book, On War. It was he who stated, "War is the natural extension
of diplomacy," and that "War, followed to its natural conclusion, is total."
In the aftermath of two global wars and the advent of nuclear weapons, his words took
on greater significance. Military planners and statesmen on both sides read the book and bought into the philosophy. The cold
war was fought using his book as a guide. The Vietnam rules of engagement were a direct result of this philosophy. Who can
say whether he was right or wrong? The fact remains that we did not annihilate mankind in a nuclear holocaust, and China did
not invade as they did in Korea. Our strategists had to carefully maneuver the tactics to straddle these two main concerns.
To be viewed correctly, Vietnam must be seen in the context of a much bigger war--the
Cold War. Vietnam was one battle in a very long war. Even if you accept the popular notion that the U.S. lost that battle--which
I do not--we, never-the-less, won the war. The Union soldiers that fought at Fredericksburg during our Civil War undeniably
lost that battle. Some of those men were in the parade down Pennsylvania Avenue at the war's end. They had the satisfaction
of knowing that their comrades did not die in vain. They were winners, not losers, even if Fredericksburg was the only battle
they fought.
Vietnam, as big as it seemed to those
of us involved in the fighting, was a minor skirmish. The losses were insignificant to what was at stake. Fifty-eight thousand
placed on one scale against five billion on the other, makes it insignificant. I cringe at the notion that those lives were
wasted, sacrificed in vain. If anything, no warrior ever gave a life for so noble a cause or sacrificed it for so many. Indeed,
Churchill's words about the RAF ring true for the veterans of Vietnam: "Never have so many owed so much too so few."
I have no doubt that when the world looks back on the twentieth century with crystal vision,
Vietnam will be seen for what it was: the turning point of the greatest threat humanity ever faced--communism. If you had
a part in the Vietnam War, take pride, hold your head high. When you visit The Wall, revere those names etched thereon. If
you can not see their glory, your great grandchildren will.
"For those who fought for it, Freedom has a Flavor, the Protected will never know”